• Local Chat is a flawed intel asset. It only states the names of the people currently in the system.
• AFK Cloaking is a psychological tool used to force people to dock or log off.

1) Solutions have included removing them from the Local Chat list, which actually makes cloak ganking become a much more viable tactic.
2) Cloaking requiring a pilot to interact with the game to maintain their cloak, which leads to some sort of macro system being used violating the EULA.
3) Making cloaked ships able to be scanned down, which defeats the purpose of the cloaking module, or does it?

Making cloaked ships able to be scanned down (with considerable consideration to the difficulty that should be imposed upon this new ability) seems like the best solution in my estimation.

Oh right. Silly me, 0 risk to having a hostile in a system with a Covert cynosural field generator... Great lets grab the Rorquals , Orca's and Hulks and lets get some mining done! We'll all warp to that large hidden asteroid belt and sit in a large clump and get rich mining ABC's

Very good summary. I agree entirely with 3... an alternative is a perma MWD'ing ship that cannot be caught even if scanned down. 2 is also a very weak solution. I quite vehemently disagree with 1., even if it seems to be a very popular option... firstly, I don't think CCP would ever go for that, it's too significant a change. Secondly, it's what sets WHs apart and would reduce the charm/uniqueness of w-space. Basically, you're 'solving' the problem of being camped by making it EASIER to camp, and making those who are camped ignorant, when clearly a lot of the issue here is the disparity in effectiveness- AFK cloak campers are too powerful. They do not need to be more so.

Ok, I have to admit I am very confused by the proliferation of these threads. I have spoken to friends in SOV holding alliances who laugh when I mention this "afk cloaking" problem that I read about on the forums.

When they get an afk cloaker in system they do one thing, bait their hooks. They don't have a problem with afk cloakers because they deal with the problem head on.

Why is it then that so many others can only complain and whine?

I've already explained in a past post that because it's impossible to know if a cloaked vessel is AFK or not we must assume that it is active all the time. In most of 0.0 a cloaked vessel is not an issue. As pointed out by various people in this thread there are tactics that can be employed to deal with them.

HOWEVER in a system raised to industry level 5, where you have players stripping the hidden belts it would be nice if we had a more pro-active method of dealing with the cloaked vessel. We have more at stake here than simply padding our pockets with ISK (although that is a very pleasant by product of what we did) When I was in 0.0 there were cloaked vessels in the system where I worked, no they did not stop me from mining and yes we did eventually deal with the issue.

I don't want to nerf cloaking I want it to remain a viable source of intel gathering/harassment. I do want a method however that lets us punish dumb/distracted cloakers who aren't paying attention, something that keeps them active or logged off. Or gives us a simple piece of intel the ship class... from that we can ascertain it's threat level.

The argument that AFK cloakers never killed anyone is not a valid one as there is no way to test the state of a cloaker at any given time.

Can we stop trying to implement a mechanic that aims at preventing someone from doing something you can only guess they're doing?

Yes, this section is full of ill conceived ideas. With the posters seemingly having little understanding of their topic.

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